So another Xanga member left comment to my last post in an attempt to parlay my comments into his theological bent. To him, there is no God, save Jehovah. His website doesn’t point to Jehovah’s witnesses directly, but the manner of his speech does. Which leads me to make my statement above, and here below is my original comment to his post… we’ll see how long it remains there.
Jesus IS Jehovah. Angels are called to Worship him (Hebrews 1:6). Men do worship him (Matthew 28:16-17, John 9:37-38). And In the end, He sits on the throne in equal authority with God, the Father. (Mark 16:19)
If your message is that Jesus is NOT Jehovah, then you err strongly in your belief. Jesus himself took on the name of God by calling himself the “I AM” (John 8:58-59), and likewise stating that in seeing Him, Phillip had seen the Father. (John 14:8-9)
If your Message IS that Jesus is Jehovah, then you need to really focus more upon Christ and his Crucifixion. Paul stated “God forbid that I should preach anything other than Christ, and him crucified”…. dare we preach anything less? (1 Cor 2:2)
If you delete this comment… you show your intentions by hiding from the truth. Jesus Said “I AM the way, the Truth and the Life… NO MAN comes to the Father EXCEPT through me”. Jesus could have only stated that if he were in fact the God, Jehovah, of which you say you believe.
I thought, then, that since the gauntlet has been raised, I would take the time to expound a bit upon proofs for which Jesus IS God, and how three can be one. We’ll start with the simplest part first…. the Trinity.
Now you may ask yourself immediately: Wayne, whatever do you mean “the simplest part first?????” You may think me insane for even believing so… but let us put this to a simple and easy test. (for the record…. this is something I realized on my own, it is not something I read in any text or book. In the 20+ years since I’ve been using this, never once has it been refuted.)
Genesis 1:26 has God saying “Let us make man in our image”. We’ll look more later at the duality of the statement… right now let us focus on one thing alone. We are made in GOD’S image. How do you suppose that to be?
We could look at it one way and say that Man has a body, a spirit and a soul. All three work in unison, codependent and yet independent of one another… but to be honest, that’s not entirely true, nor is it quantitative. You cannot quantify a soul. It has no measurable means by which to prove it’s existence. Therefore, let’s put this argument aside and look to something far more basic.
Man is made up of three parts….. bone…. flesh…. and blood. Take away ANY ONE PART…. and man ceases to be. You must have all three, independent and yet codependent, in order to have a functioning body. You can’t have bone and flesh without blood. You can’t have flesh and blood without bone. You can’t have bone and blood without flesh. In either case, you lose the ability to function in human capacity. Man…. created in God’s image…. Jesus, God, and The Holy Spirit. Do you see the picture? Three distinct parts making one distinct whole.
Basic, and simple. I usually use someone elses finger to make this point… a finger ceases to function without any one of your three parts. The point is quite dramatic.
So God exists in three parts, equal, distinct, and independent. Just as man does, in God’s image… bone, flesh & blood.
That was simple enough…. now let’s look more at Jesus.
In the Ten Commandments, God laid down this as the primary law:
Exodus 20:1-3 And God spoke all these words:
“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
“You shall have no other gods before me.
Makes perfect sense. Let’s look at it as a logic statement: IF / THEN.
If God truly is solely God, then worshiping ANYTHING other than Him is an affront to Him, His mercy, His Loving-kindness, His Grace and His Holiness. If God indeed created EVERYTHING, then only HE is worthy of worship.
Simple enough, and makes perfect sense why this would be the first commandment.
Thus let us look at some situations…. Are we to worship other Men?
Acts 10:25 As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
The situation, in short, was that God was showing Peter that even gentiles were a part of His kingdom. He was also showing Cornelius that Peter was His chosen messenger…. Cornelius had better listen. But Cornelius got somehow lost in the moment and fell down to worship Peter…. only to be corrected for having done so.
POINT: We are not to worship men.
Let us consider angels then. Our modern society places a high value upon Angels… the Catholic church deigns angels as worthy of reverence… but does scripture show this to be so?
Revelation 19:9-10 Then the angel said to me, “Write: ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the wedding supper of the Lamb!’ ” And he added, “These are the true words of God.”
At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.“
Think that one’s not plain enough… Poor John was having a bad day, read further….
Revelation 21:8 I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book. Worship God!“
It stands to reason that if Angels are created beings… they are not here for us to worship.
Let us look further.
So…. Peter refused worship. Angels refused worship. Paul rebuked the Corinthians for fracturing and saying:
1 Corinthians 1:12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
Seems the Corinthians were having a slight problem with who to follow…. so let us make this perfectly clear.
Matthew 26:16-20 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Sorry that I gave you so much of the passage when only so little a part would suffice. I did that to emphasize a point…. nowhere does Jesus rebuke them for their worship!!!!!
Look further….
John 9:35-41 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
“Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”
Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.
Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”
Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”
Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.
Again, the length of passage given was merely to show…. Jesus never stopped him. He accepted the man’s worship. This is a very interesting point… consider further…
Hebrews 1: 6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”
So let me get this straight…. we’re not allowed to worship anything other Than God… and yet the angels are called to worship Christ? And men worship Christ?
Here’s another:
Revelation 5:11-14 Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they sang:
“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!” The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
What’s the conclusion?
Let me take this from yet another angle….
I love this one….
Titus 1: 3-4 and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior,
To Titus, my true son in our common faith:
Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
Hmmmmm, who is our Savior, Jesus, or God? the passage seems to mix the two… let’s dig further.
Titus 2: 11-14 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.
WHOA!!! Is there any confusion now? But Get this, there’s more….
Titus 3:4-6 But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,
Three times in the same book…. God / Jesus, our Savior. Seems to me that Jesus holds a place equal to God in the Eyes of Paul.
Let me close with Jesus own words…. and I love this one as well.
John 14:6-9 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”
Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.
Conclusion? Can there be any doubt?
John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.
John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jesus, the Word of God made Flesh…. was, is, and always will be, Jehovah, God.
And to the Jehovah’s Witness creeping around out there thinking you’re getting off easy….
Galatians 1:6-8 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
You, sir, need to humble yourself before Christ and seek HIS forgiveness for buying into a false gospel, one that will only damn you eternally in the end.
Amen.